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UltimaSlash · Jun 21, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Learn the meta:

Right now, the most commonly run builds in HA are SF-way, R-spike, hexway, rit spike, legoway/dual melee, triple melee, and sway.

Knowing what exactly you have to do in order to shut down these builds is important as an HA monk - let me know if you want details into this.

Knowing what you have to do on each map (relic runner, ghostly on courtyard and capture points), is also important as an HA monk.

Trinity Fire Angel · Jun 23, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by UltimaSlash

Knowing what exactly you have to do in order to shut down these builds is important as an HA monk - let me know if you want details into this.

What do you mean? By knowing how to shut down these builds, the monk should know who to pre-prot and who the opposing team might target?

supa tim · Jun 23, 2008, 08:03 AM // 08:03

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Originally Posted by Trinity Fire Angel

What do you mean? By knowing how to shut down these builds, the monk should know who to pre-prot and who the opposing team might target?

Or for example if they have an SS Necro keeping a veil on your warrior is always lots of fun :P

Div · Jun 23, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

GvG monk in HA = wipe in under 2 minutes...

Is this some kind of cheap shot from a bad QQer?

Most top end GvG monks came from HA, and they were generally one of the top HA monks that made the next step to actually know how to monk without needing to find large balls of players. You can throw a top GvG monk into HA and he'll figure out what to do fairly quickly, but you simply can't throw a "top" HA monk and expect him to play well in GvG.

Zenos Squad · Jun 23, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Use Random Arenas or Team Arenas to practice. These 2 areas are like a "Mini GvG". They are good for Heroes' Ascent and GvG monking because it teaches you basics on positioning and managing your energy.

COMMUNICATION IS KEY.

You won't be able to communicate obviously unless you sync'd or TAing with people you know, but as long as you find out what your weaknesses are, you can always use those weaknesses to communicate with your future teams and grow stronger from there.

Ex:

HA Monk-3-5 people are standing in AoE, this should be understandable and clear to everyone else and yourself that you can't just spam Heal Party or infuse 5 people at once, so let them all know on your VoIP.

GvG Monk - "pre-kiting" or whatever you wanna call it, is when you see a heavy melee coming towards you and you are already kiting away from it before it touches you<---saves you a lot of energy and a lot of bitch-ness

Disclaimer: "pre-kiting" applies for both areas of HA and GvG, but somewhat never goes too well for HA people! LOL!

You should also know that their is a big mistake that many monks do. They watch the party list ONLY rather than watching the screen and party list. These monks are what I call paranoia monks. They think they will not have enough time to do anything else, but watch red bars...not true. If you just watch the screen, you can save a lot of energy and tell who needs to be kiting more. Its like looking into the future in a way, but I will not guarentee this to always be 100% because other teams will always find a new strategy to counter what you are doing, but this is very helpful.

One last thing is proper equipment for what you are about to face. You'd be surprised how much a +10 (AR) to builds like RSpike or SFspike will do. We all know everyone is not good at kiting, but it is the little bits that will help to cope with your monking situation.

Zenos Squad · Jun 23, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Is this some kind of cheap shot from a bad QQer?

Most top end GvG monks came from HA, and they were generally one of the top HA monks that made the next step to actually know how to monk without needing to find large balls of players. You can throw a top GvG monk into HA and he'll figure out what to do fairly quickly, but you simply can't throw a "top" HA monk and expect him to play well in GvG.

/agreed

12 characters BTW!

supa tim · Jun 23, 2008, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Is this some kind of cheap shot from a bad QQer?

Most top end GvG monks came from HA, and they were generally one of the top HA monks that made the next step to actually know how to monk without needing to find large balls of players. You can throw a top GvG monk into HA and he'll figure out what to do fairly quickly, but you simply can't throw a "top" HA monk and expect him to play well in GvG.

I disagree here, monking in HA isnt always spamming around with your channeling. If it gets diverted/rended etc, you also have to manage your energy. now obviously GvG monks have alot of experience with this, but Good HA monks also know how to handle with this since theres lots of enchant rip going on lately, so you need to know how to manage ur energy without channeling.
Besides in GvG builds theres way more utility on the other characters than in HA.

Ben-A-BoO · Jun 24, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

In GvG, where positioning matters, it's a completely different story, one which I will save for later...

Please, don't.

About your mother instinct theory, consider this: the best monks I know have man-boobs, coincidence?

Good luck irl if you know as much about gender as about HA.

Div · Jun 24, 2008, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by supa tim

I disagree here, monking in HA isnt always spamming around with your channeling. If it gets diverted/rended etc, you also have to manage your energy. now obviously GvG monks have alot of experience with this, but Good HA monks also know how to handle with this since theres lots of enchant rip going on lately, so you need to know how to manage ur energy without channeling.
Besides in GvG builds theres way more utility on the other characters than in HA.

Since when did I say good HA monks were bad at HA? All I was saying is that the generalization that good GvG monks will suck in HA is simply retarded. Unless you're disagreeing with my statement that pure HA monks would not survive in an environment like GvG where you take out the large balls of people.

Take a PhD mathematician and a smart high school math student. Sure, the high schooler can do algebra really well, but it'll be hard for him to do the advanced math. However, you can throw the PhD back to high school and he'll do algebra just fine, though perhaps not as good as some smart high schoolers.

Akaraxle · Jun 24, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Most top end GvG monks came from HA, and they were generally one of the top HA monks that made the next step to actually know how to monk without needing to find large balls of players. You can throw a top GvG monk into HA and he'll figure out what to do fairly quickly, but you simply can't throw a "top" HA monk and expect him to play well in GvG.

He's not completely wrong about his statement of GvG monks blowing up. If you monk like in GvG you will blow up (unless your team has so much pressure that it crushes the opponent more quickly than you get crushed) as there is really no frontline or backline, and because of that most the time there'll be so much shit flying around that you'll barely be able to keep everyone up for long without the [skill]Channeling[/skill] engine.
That said, no doubt if you keep the GvG monking style while adapting to HA's standards you'll do much better compared to a pure HA red-bars-go-up monk.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Girls also barely rage.

Sup psy

RotteN · Jun 24, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Well, not from my experience anyways... I've played with 10-15 girls now, and I've yet to hear one rage.

Pick more interesting girls to play with seriously. I used to guest fairly often for Esoteric Females and most of them were pretty pro at raging.

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Originally Posted by Akaraxle

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Girls also barely rage.

Sup psy

QFT, hearing 3 variations of "n*ggers" in every sentence is pure awesomeness

Div · Jun 24, 2008, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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Originally Posted by Akaraxle

Sup psy

lol

I generally don't rage, but if the team is doing really stupid shit, I'll call them out on it and tell them to stop sucking. However, if the monk is so rage-free that they don't do that when the team is horrible, then to me that's a lack of communication (or sometimes they simply don't care). Probably people pay attention to girls so much that they can just say "please stop sucking" without raging and the team will listen? :P

Teh Jace · Jun 24, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35

sry guys but we just flawlessed champ6+ grp in UW within 2 minutes with liekkio balling up in profane. And y it was balanced vs balanced. Also it wasn't the first time it happened.

Good gvg monk won't suck in HA but many do.

Sierraa · Jun 24, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Girls got mother instinct, which is why I think girls are far superiour monks. Yes, I'm dead-honest this time... ^^

I'm a girl and I have no maternal instinct.

I also rage at stupid monks who say they're rly good but then fail epicly. Also most of my guy friends are amazing prots and mesmers.

As for general tips. I learned how to channel tank by equipping a sword and targeting a midliner (ele/mesmer) or sometimes other monks. Weapon swapping came naturally to me. Like on day I figured out that I should use the sets I bought when I cast. :P Like it just dawned on me.

Protting is just watching for things that give away spikes. Hexes/burning/Following melee. It's watching your screen and pressing spiritbond like 75% of the time and the other 25% is active protting. Random rofs, using guardian on the ele that's getting dshotted, SoAing ghost, auraing your infoozer.

HB Infuse is red bars. I'd rather people watched for the spike though, like on their screen, but yeah.

WoH (If it's a hybrid) is a bit of pre-protting and a bit of healing, which is more watching of the screen, and a little bit less infuse if you're good at protting.

Borat X · Jun 24, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Let me clear some stuff up here...its so simple

GvG monk that never HA = fails in HA
HA monks that never GvG = fails in GvG
*Good Monks are trained in both HA and GvG

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Is this some kind of cheap shot from a bad QQer?

Most top end GvG monks came from HA, and they were generally one of the top HA monks that made the next step to actually know how to monk without needing to find large balls of players. You can throw a top GvG monk into HA and he'll figure out what to do fairly quickly, but you simply can't throw a "top" HA monk and expect him to play well in GvG.

So what? HAHAHA

I've seen multiple times...where the top 5% of GvG monks can still wipe under two minutes in HA....and the top 5% HA monks can wipe in GvG as well.....or even monks that are trained in both HA and GVG...

but why must you make a direct attack , "Is this some kind of cheap shot from a bad QQer?"

Barbie goes guru · Jun 24, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by Borat X

Let me clear some stuff up here...its so simple

GvG monk that never HA = fails in HA
HA monks that never GvG = fails in GvG
*Good Monks are trained in both HA and GvG

I've seen multiple times...where the top 5% of GvG monks can still wipe under two minutes in HA....and the top 5% HA monks can wipe in GvG as well.....or even monks that are trained in both HA and GVG...

but why must you make a direct attack , "Is this some kind of cheap shot from a bad QQer?"

Let me clear something up. You're wrong. And wtf is a top ha monk? Someone with significant experience concerning bad positioning and a talent for watching health bars?

Teh Jace · Jun 24, 2008, 08:09 PM // 20:09

Again epic gvg egoists in thread about HA monks.

Good infuser has to watch field as well as prot. Cuz why to infuse a protted target and lose 10e? Sometimes spike is soo clean u have to keep target on ur mate before spikes happens.

Sierraa · Jun 24, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Teh Jace

Again epic gvg egoists in thread about HA monks.

Good infuser has to watch field as well as prot. Cuz why to infuse a protted target and lose 10e? Sometimes spike is soo clean u have to keep target on ur mate before spikes happens.

HB makes infuse a joke. Even people who don't watch their screen can catch most spikes. Reflexes ftw.

Teh Jace · Jun 24, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Ppl tend to play WoH now anyways cuz of tons of rend enchantments and depravity hexways.

Y HB infuse is kinda imba I agree.

Sierraa · Jun 24, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by Teh Jace

Ppl tend to play WoH now anyways cuz of tons of rend enchantments and depravity hexways.

Y HB infuse is kinda imba I agree.

I rarely see WoH being ran in HA, and even if there's a ton of rend and depravity , WoH doesn't counter it any better than HB does. If anything HB would be better if you're lucky to get a heal party off.

And I wouldn't call HB imba.